Comments on: How Federer Outthought Nadal At The Masters http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthought-nadal-at-the-masters/ A Tennis Pro Sharing Tips And Thoughts About Tennis Instruction, Strategy and Mental Game Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:25:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: sean http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthought-nadal-at-the-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-2174 sean Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:44:22 +0000 http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthinked-nadal-at-the-masters/#comment-2174 I am a huge fed fan and finally got to see him play at london atp world tour finals. Even though he lost it is one of the greatest experience, I would recommend any fan to go see the god in person before he retires. I am a huge fed fan and finally got to see him play at london atp world tour finals. Even though he lost it is one of the greatest experience, I would recommend any fan to go see the god in person before he retires.

]]> By: Guy http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthought-nadal-at-the-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-636 Guy Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:43:44 +0000 http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthinked-nadal-at-the-masters/#comment-636 He crushed Rafa, I loved it, I remeber this time when Roger wasn't poisonned by hum hum. Now old and tired for the game, he still has more winner than rafa and loose match, how insane is tennis I ask you guys! He crushed Rafa, I loved it, I remeber this time when Roger wasn’t poisonned by hum hum.
Now old and tired for the game, he still has more winner than rafa and loose match, how insane is tennis I ask you guys!

]]> By: George http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthought-nadal-at-the-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-237 George Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:16:29 +0000 http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthinked-nadal-at-the-masters/#comment-237 That is some impressive speculation, and showcases your tennis knowledge. I wish i could've seen that match at all, let alone live. Check out http://lots.tennischannel.com/; it has a cool interactive holiday e-card you can customize and send to your friends and family. That is some impressive speculation, and showcases your tennis knowledge. I wish i could’ve seen that match at all, let alone live.

Check out http://lots.tennischannel.com/; it has a cool interactive holiday e-card you can customize and send to your friends and family.

]]> By: Jerry http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthought-nadal-at-the-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-236 Jerry Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:33:59 +0000 http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthinked-nadal-at-the-masters/#comment-236 Nadal will have his day. Nadal will have his day.

]]> By: Tomaz http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthought-nadal-at-the-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-233 Tomaz Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:42:35 +0000 http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthinked-nadal-at-the-masters/#comment-233 Hey Billy, That's a great insight into the mental game that went between Rafa and Federer! And yes, I want to see Federer play live too. Next year for sure! Hey Billy,

That’s a great insight into the mental game that went between Rafa and Federer!

And yes, I want to see Federer play live too. Next year for sure!

]]> By: Billy http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthought-nadal-at-the-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-229 Billy Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:51:44 +0000 http://www.tennisthoughts.com/2007/11/18/how-federer-outthinked-nadal-at-the-masters/#comment-229 Thats amazing that you got to see the Federer -Nadal match live! I was glued to the television watching it. About you post on the match, I do agree that the 4-4 game was a big game and gave Federer the momentum and as you saw, he didnt lose many points for the next 5 games. First of all, the weaker side on Nadal on the RETURN is the forehand. His grip is too extreme and actually Federer and every pro in the world serves mostly to that side of Nadal. The reason Nadal leaned to his backhand though at 15-30 was bc yes it was a big point and the higher percentage serve is up the middle. Up the middle is over the hgher part of the net and of course at 4-4 15-30 you need to get that first serve in. So, Nadal decided to sit on the middle serve and give Federer more the outwide serve which is going over the highest part of the net. Federer executes the serve and Nadal mises the return, the forehand and weaker side on the return. 30-30 point I knew Federer was going up the midle to Nadal's forehand bc again its the more dificult side for Nadal to retun. I think Nadal made a mistake and maybe thought he read that Federer was going wide. Federer's toss is the same for both wide and up the middle but you do pick up things from you opponent and Nadal must have made a mistake and thought he saw Federer was going wide. He should have known that Federer was going up the midle becase thats the smart serve agains him. misses the return like you said and nw its 40-30. Now at 40-30 he misses first serve which like you said went up the middle to Nadal's backhand. The reason now is bc Federer wanted to go with the higher percentage serve over the lowest part of the net. Now 2nd serve was a great decision to serve and volley bc like you said Nadal had missed the last 2 returns, no way he wil want to risk on missing 3 returns and giving Federer 3 free points...This was an amazing recognition from Federer and this is what I think players need to realize. This 40-30 2nd serve and volley and taking the situation on what has happened the last 2 points is a big lesson for juniors. A lot of times the mstake is they dont realize what the opponent is feeling and thinking on the other side. If Nadal would have hit a great return on that point then Federer would just say too good bc that would have been the tougher shot to win the point then for Nadal to just make return and go back to rally where he is so great at. This is what went through the mnd of Federer in that situation and it did take Nadal by surprise at 40-30. The lesson here is Nadal wasnt wrong about 15-30 to give Federer wide serve, he was being smart o giving Federer that serve. Federer just came up with the god serve. I dont know why Nadal thought wide on 30-30 bc like I said its the weaker return side of Nadal and also Federer always serves up the middle on big points majority of the time exspecialy on deuce side. The reason no one can stop that is bc Federer is soo great on setting up his 2nd ball with his serve..eve if you know the serve is going middle, still th return will come back through the middle or to the inside out position for Federer to hit his best shot, the FH from the inside out position. So, Federer iss til in the best position even of the return comes back. thats anther lesson for players to understand..learn how Federer and the top pros set the points up to ht shots they like the most. Definelty that game really gave the edge to Federer and Nadal felt the pressure trying to hold serve to stay in the set after having a mini opportunity to break Federer's serve and possibly serve for the 1st set in the Masters in Shanghai. This is my opinion and in no way is to say you are wrong about your observation. I just wath these players play everyday and I get the opportunity to see Federer play a lot through the year. He is a great champion and I think there are soo many things to learn from him. He is the smartest player and will be the best of all time. Its an honor of mine to be able to witness this in my lifetime and be able to see him compete and practice in person regularly. Thats amazing that you got to see the Federer -Nadal match live! I was glued to the television watching it. About you post on the match, I do agree that the 4-4 game was a big game and gave Federer the momentum and as you saw, he didnt lose many points for the next 5 games.
First of all, the weaker side on Nadal on the RETURN is the forehand. His grip is too extreme and actually Federer and every pro in the world serves mostly to that side of Nadal. The reason Nadal leaned to his backhand though at 15-30 was bc yes it was a big point and the higher percentage serve is up the middle. Up the middle is over the hgher part of the net and of course at 4-4 15-30 you need to get that first serve in. So, Nadal decided to sit on the middle serve and give Federer more the outwide serve which is going over the highest part of the net. Federer executes the serve and Nadal mises the return, the forehand and weaker side on the return.
30-30 point I knew Federer was going up the midle to Nadal’s forehand bc again its the more dificult side for Nadal to retun. I think Nadal made a mistake and maybe thought he read that Federer was going wide. Federer’s toss is the same for both wide and up the middle but you do pick up things from you opponent and Nadal must have made a mistake and thought he saw Federer was going wide. He should have known that Federer was going up the midle becase thats the smart serve agains him. misses the return like you said and nw its 40-30.
Now at 40-30 he misses first serve which like you said went up the middle to Nadal’s backhand. The reason now is bc Federer wanted to go with the higher percentage serve over the lowest part of the net. Now 2nd serve was a great decision to serve and volley bc like you said Nadal had missed the last 2 returns, no way he wil want to risk on missing 3 returns and giving Federer 3 free points…This was an amazing recognition from Federer and this is what I think players need to realize. This 40-30 2nd serve and volley and taking the situation on what has happened the last 2 points is a big lesson for juniors. A lot of times the mstake is they dont realize what the opponent is feeling and thinking on the other side. If Nadal would have hit a great return on that point then Federer would just say too good bc that would have been the tougher shot to win the point then for Nadal to just make return and go back to rally where he is so great at. This is what went through the mnd of Federer in that situation and it did take Nadal by surprise at 40-30.
The lesson here is Nadal wasnt wrong about 15-30 to give Federer wide serve, he was being smart o giving Federer that serve. Federer just came up with the god serve. I dont know why Nadal thought wide on 30-30 bc like I said its the weaker return side of Nadal and also Federer always serves up the middle on big points majority of the time exspecialy on deuce side. The reason no one can stop that is bc Federer is soo great on setting up his 2nd ball with his serve..eve if you know the serve is going middle, still th return will come back through the middle or to the inside out position for Federer to hit his best shot, the FH from the inside out position. So, Federer iss til in the best position even of the return comes back. thats anther lesson for players to understand..learn how Federer and the top pros set the points up to ht shots they like the most.
Definelty that game really gave the edge to Federer and Nadal felt the pressure trying to hold serve to stay in the set after having a mini opportunity to break Federer’s serve and possibly serve for the 1st set in the Masters in Shanghai.
This is my opinion and in no way is to say you are wrong about your observation. I just wath these players play everyday and I get the opportunity to see Federer play a lot through the year. He is a great champion and I think there are soo many things to learn from him. He is the smartest player and will be the best of all time. Its an honor of mine to be able to witness this in my lifetime and be able to see him compete and practice in person regularly.

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